In an interview with the Guardian in Great Britain, noted leftist “anti-American imperialism” writer Noam Chomsky makes a number of observations about Afghanistan. Firstly, he believes that Barack Obama, a President who has been compared with some of the most leftwing figures in history, is little more than a “shift back towards the centre” and a striking foreign policy continuity with George Bush’s second administration:
The veteran activist has described the US invasion of Afghanistan as “one of the most immoral acts in modern history”, which united the jihadist movement around al-Qaida, sharply increased the level of terrorism and was “perfectly irrational – unless the security of the population is not the main priority”. Which, of course, Chomsky believes, it is not. “States are not moral agents,” he says, and believes that now that Obama is escalating the war, it has become even clearer that the occupation is about the credibility of Nato and US global power.
This is a recurrent theme in Chomsky’s thinking about the American empire. He argues that since government officials first formulated plans for a “grand area” strategy for US global domination in the early 1940s, successive administrations have been guided by a “godfather principle, straight out of the mafia: that defiance cannot be tolerated. It’s a major feature of state policy.” “Successful defiance” has to be punished, even where it damages business interests, as in the economic blockade of Cuba – in case “the contagion spreads”.
I don’t know whether al-Qaeda qualifies as being merely “defiant” to American foreign policy, but of course that is a debate Mr.Chomsky would welcome, since it plays entirely into his worldview. But one important correction needs to be made, and it’s one that has had to be reminded by Mark Collins writing chiding letters to newspapers around Canada for proliferating the same type of errors. The United States did not “invade” Afghanistan:
There was no “invasion” of Afghanistan.
Before the fall of Kabul to the insurgent Afghan Northern Alliance in November 2001, and the consequent collapse of the Taliban regime, there were no foreign regular combat formations in Afghanistan. The Northern Alliance did receive air support and assistance from special forces (both U.S. and British); that however is not an invasion.
Substantial foreign ground combat forces — including Canadian — only entered the country after the Taliban had been deposed by indigenous Afghan forces.
Those foreign troops entered with the agreement of the Northern Alliance — which was the internationally recognized government of Afghanistan and held the country’s seat at the United Nations. In any event, the U.S was exercising its legitimate right of self-defence against the Taliban regime that was harbouring al-Qaida, the group behind the murderous Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the U.S.
Indeed the U.S action was fully in accord with UN Security Council Resolution 1368 of Sept. 12, 2001, that stated that the council, “recognizing the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence in accordance with the (UN) Charter . . . calls on all states to work together urgently to bring to justice the perpetrators, organizers and sponsors of these terrorist attacks and stresses that those responsible for aiding, supporting or harbouring the perpetrators, organizers and sponsors of these acts will be held accountable. . . .”
There also is no “occupation” of Afghanistan.
The International Security Assistance Force is not an occupying force but rather a mission to assist in Afghanistan that was authorized by the security council in December 2001.
That authorization was most recently extended by a resolution this September.
There is, therefore, nothing “illegal” about the assistance force or Canada’s participation in it.
It would appear that most ideological leftists get their rhetoric from the same ill-informed sources.















November 9, 2009 at 5:08 am
You give reasons for NATO being in Afghanistan. But in the airy-fairy, postmodern world of the left, reason is a tool of the imperialistic, western democracies to dominate the world, don’t you know?
November 9, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Thanks, Raphael.
Mark
Ottawa
November 9, 2009 at 12:31 pm
hmm…the northern alliance is the “officially recognized” body in the UN even though it only controls 30% of the country and was extremely unpopular – so much so that the Taliban were welcomed, just as many Afghanis welcome the Taliban back right now? and since the Talibans were “illegitimate,” unlike the NOrthern Alliance, the US welcomed Taliban officials onto American soil before 9/11?
Also, the quoting of the UN Security Council resolution is quite interesting: that attempts to show international support for the invasion. but the Security Council is 10 countries. what did the majority of countries think in the UN General Council? well, we won’t get that answer from idiots like raphael alexander.
letsee, so air support and special forces assistance is not “invasion.” sure, but isn’t it an attack? letsee, the word “invade” means to “enter forcefully with hostile intent,” “to enter and affect injuriously or destructively” and “to enter as if to take possession.” an “invasion” is usually done with the intent of “changing, altering the government or forcing concessions.”
and we’re just entering to allow democracy to take hold? letsee, the news is filled with accounts of fraud by karzai. the current govt. is filled with warlords who are more murderous and just as hateful of woman’s rights and freedom as the Taliban.
also, the claim that there is no “occupation” is quite interesting. occupation according to who? according to the West? ok, I guess the Nazis would have claimed that they weren’t occupying France, so that point is not legitimate. how about according to the Afghan govt. Look to what has been written above, and we can see that the Afghan govt. doesn’t really reflect the will of the people.
What do the majority of Afghan people think? Polls are difficult to take bedcause it’s so dangerous there, but what few there are show that Afghans want Americans out and think that violence against foreign forces and people are entirely legitimate.
It’s quite interesting that you have to cite a blog by some random individual rather than citing legal documents from the UN or some other authoritative source. What you’re basically doing would be like if I tried to prove that Afghanistan is indeed a case of invasion and occupation by citing Chomsky and only Chomsky! Chomsky says it’s true, so it must be true! in your case, you’re saying “mark connor says it’s true, so it must be!”
this is pathetic
November 9, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Andrew: Legal documentation:
“UN Security Council extends mandate for ISAF ” (see also second link)
“Security Council Extends International Security Assistance Force Mandate in Afghanistan by 12 Months”
Mark
Ottawa
November 9, 2009 at 6:02 pm
Also, the quoting of the UN Security Council resolution is quite interesting: that attempts to show international support for the invasion. but the Security Council is 10 countries. what did the majority of countries think in the UN General Council? well, we won’t get that answer from idiots like raphael alexander.
Speaking of idiots…
Poor Andrew hasn’t figured out yet exactly that the Security Council is made up of ten countries that actually matter, as opposed to the General Assembly comprised mostly of dictatorships, banana republics and police states.
What do the majority of Afghan people think? Polls are difficult to take bedcause it’s so dangerous there, but what few there are show that Afghans want Americans out and think that violence against foreign forces and people are entirely legitimate.
This one is even funnier, because it’s such a bald-faced LIE. Nice try, Andrew…
November 10, 2009 at 9:19 am
The Security Council actually has 15 members. Andrew could have looked it up:
http://www.un.org/sc/members.asp
Mark
Ottawa
November 11, 2009 at 10:25 am
The United Nations should be disbanded. It’s 2009 and less than half the member states are true democracies.
It’s a sham in every sense of the word.
November 11, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Fred
really so Canada, Germany, Norway, Australia, Sweden etc. don’t matter and are which? Dictatorship, B Republic or a police state
And
Libya isn’t any of them hey?
Ha
It’s United NATIONS, not the United Democracies.
Jeez you guys that’s not even low hanging fruit.
November 12, 2009 at 11:17 pm
Fred
really so Canada, Germany, Norway, Australia, Sweden etc. don’t matter and are which? Dictatorship, B Republic or a police state
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You understand the meaning of the English word ‘mostly’, don’t you? Or maybe your problem is one of comprehension? The democratic countries you mentioned above would either vote to support the NATO mission in Afghanistan or abstain (which amounts to the same thing); the rest (the majority that I mentioned) would vote against it simply because they almost always vote against the democratic, free nations.
Yes, the United Nations really is a joke. And people like Andrew telling pathetically transparent lies will never change that…
November 13, 2009 at 10:14 pm
Fred
The membership in 2001 was:
Bangladesh, Colombia, Ireland, Jamaica, Mali, Mauritius, Norway, Singapore, Tunisia, Ukraine. As well as the permanent 5.
And so the membership of the UN Security Council in 2003 was:
Angola, Bulgaria, Cameroon, Chile, Germany, Guinea, Mexico, Pakistan, Spain, Syria. As well as the permanent 5.
According to the UN’s own website. Guess what else was approved in 2003?
I see a few democracies in name only there… or not.
okay again you used the weasel word mostly, but not with respect to the UN Security Council. And you clearly failed to address the Libyan example of a state “that actually matters”.
Now I wish to up the ante to include Syria, Angola etc.
That some list of states that actually matter you have.
November 15, 2009 at 11:01 pm
I see a few democracies in name only there… or not.
okay again you used the weasel word mostly, but not with respect to the UN Security Council. And you clearly failed to address the Libyan example of a state “that actually matters”.
Now I wish to up the ante to include Syria, Angola etc.
That some list of states that actually matter you have.
You’ll note that the balance *never* swings over to the non-democratic (or financially/militarily unimportant) countries.
And you clearly failed to address the Libyan example of a state “that actually matters”.
Please translate that to English and I’ll try to educate you further. What exactly was your point supposed to be, again? You *did* have one, right? I (and others) were discussing the futility of the UN General Assembly being asked for their opinion on Security Council approved and NATO led military operations against rogue states…what were *you* talking about?
November 16, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Fred you said:
“the Security Council is made up of ten countries that actually matter”
Libya is there now, Syria et al have been there. You made no mention in your original comment about “one’s that matter” outnumbering those who don’t; just that those on the General Assembly didn’t matter and those on the Security Council did.
I was just questioning the reasoning behind your original statement. Your later explanation is not as strong, but does qualify the original to such a degree that it is apparent that you now disagree with what you said there.
November 16, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Exactly my point harebell. When we stop equating nations ruled by dictators with those ruled by their citizens, maybe it would make sense to have a world decision making body.
Until then, it’s really just a private club for the worlds most powerful gangsters.
November 16, 2009 at 10:54 pm
Fred you said:
“the Security Council is made up of ten countries that actually matter”
Libya is there now, Syria et al have been there. You made no mention in your original comment about “one’s that matter” outnumbering those who don’t; just that those on the General Assembly didn’t matter and those on the Security Council did.
I was trying to be concise, assuming that most people already knew about the 5 permanent (and veto-wielding) members as opposed to the rotating temporary members. And when I say “10 countries that matter” I am referring to the 5 permanent members plus 5 of the temporary members that are always either democracies or allies of NATO (don’t tell me that you haven’t noticed? If all 10 temporary members were, say, middle-eastern dictatorships the entire session would be wasted on anti-Israel/anti-US condemnations followed by vetoes to counter them). The others are just there to make them feel important…
I hope this was a better explanation.